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Maduro
would place more importance on pre-school, basic education By BLANCA
MORENO (Second of
two parts) TEGUCIGALPA
-- The political future of presidential hopeful Ricardo Maduro Joest is
still in the balance just eight days before his party's primaries.
Wrangling continued this week over the selection of the final of
three jurists who are to resolve whether he is a Honduran citizen by birth
-- a key requisite for the nation's highest elected office. Adversity
is not new to Maduro, however, who has had to deal with one of the greatest
tragedies that can befall a parent -- the death of a child.
The tragic death of his son immediately changed Maduro's beliefs, and
forced him to change his priorities in life.
One of these priorities is achieving major reforms in the nation's
educational system. Following
is the conclusion of Honduras This Week's exclusive interview with the
leading presidential candidate for the National Party. HTW: How
is your situation [one] week from the primaries? MADURO:
That's the $64,000 question. What
would seem most convenient to me is a reversal of the process.
My registration should be accepted and, at the same time, we can go
to court [to resolve the nationality problem].
Jaime Rosenthal, Pineda Ponce and myself should be examined.
I have personally heard that the Liberal Party has said they could
not be able to get me off the ballot once I was on it. HTW: Would
you accept being removed [from the ballot]? MADURO: If
it were legal and legitimate, yes. Before
deciding to run, I asked three of the best jurists in Honduras, Cesar Batres,
Joaquin Alcerro and Jorge Ramon Hernandez, to review my case because of the
enormous responsibility I would be assuming with my supporters.
Because otherwise, I'd have to run away... HTW:
When did you first want to be President?
We heard some rumors back in 1993... MADURO:
When those reports came out, I did not really want [to run for president.]
I still have a T-shirt that reads, "Maduro es el futuro" (Maduro
is the future). Seriously...
after [Tegucigalpa Mayor César] Castellanos's death [in November 1998]. HTW: Why? MADURO:
Because of my son's death. After
[his death], I felt that I was going to dedicate my life to education.
I founded FEREMA, and I was spending half my time working with it.
Before César's death, a few people suggested that I could do more
for education as president. I
wasn't convinced that education could become a national issue embraced by
civil society. The main problem
is that politicizing education
condemns it to mediocrity because of inconsistent efforts. When
I became part of the administration in 1990, no one knew what fiscal
deficit, devaluation, interests rates and the relationship among them were.
We spent so much time discussing them that everyone knew what they
meant after four years. Now
people are interested in that topic, because they know that if there is a
fiscal deficit, it logically produces inflation and devaluations. The
same situation can be applied to education, and now when I talk about the
high dropout rates, grade repetitions, scholastic aptitude and curriculum
content, they are not concepts people understand.
The fact is that teachers in rural areas don't attend class 40
percent of the time. One of the
programs we currently have is informing the people about education through
advertising, [such as], "This child has no future without an
education," to generate concern. Most
Latin American countries don't publish education statistics, largely due to
the fact that most are negative and place us behind the rest of the world. Mexico and Costa Rica don't publish these statistics. But
it's necessary to publish them and I have started to work on this at a
Central American level, and when César Castellanos died, pressure [for me
to run] was enormous because the Nationalist party no longer had a
presidential candidate. That's
when I started to feel that I had the capacity, because I had been directly
affected. Losing a loved one is
a wound that heals slowly. Curiously
enough, beautiful things spring from tragedy.
My priorities changed instantly.
Material possessions were no longer important, I would have given
everything my family and I had ever accumulated in return for my son. In
second place, my loved ones are the most important in my life and together
we continue on a spiritual journey. My
horizon has changed. I studied
for eight years in the United States, but it is not for this reason that my
education is scientific, I studied industrial engineering and economics, but
when my son died, that event was the biggest and most frustrating experience
in my life. He was 25 years old
and I would have liked to see his children, my grandchildren, and I realized
that almost unconsciously, a person expects their children to hold their
hands on their death bed, and not the other way around. I
realized my horizons had changed. I
am a devote Catholic, but I immediately questioned my beliefs, and a new
phase began for me, my ex-wife and our daughters.
Suddenly, we were forced to break open a window to see outside.
That took us several years and I no longer think of death as the end
of my existence, but in other things. Tolerance
towards children changes and I discovered I was able to tolerate a political
environment, I was jealous of my privacy, I rejected notoriety.
Now, if I am insulted it doesn't matter as much, because what is most
important to me is my family. Now
my horizons are broader, capability and profound inner peace, greater
tolerance and clarity as much as my priorities are concerned. I
won't be able to do everything I want to with education, but at least I can
try. HTW: With
respect to the price hikes, what would your personal touch be? MADURO:
First, I would like to address the perception that governments have
dedicated themselves to imposing "imported" hikes; this must be
seen in a more equilibrated way. The
problem with economic reforms is that they have been regressive and the
economic changes have negatively impacted the poor.
Supposedly the idea behind reforms is growth accompanied with
progressive results. Sales tax
is regressive, because it affects everyone; in other words the same
percentage is applied regardless of income.
Subsidies
are also supposed to be progressive, but if you take the National University
as an example, you will find it is not.
It is said that it costs 30,000 lempiras a year per student, who are
charged only 300. Why should my
daughter pay 300 when she can afford 30,000, and adversely affect a student
from Intibuca who can afford to pay nothing.
What should be done is to charge students based on their ability to
pay, and conduct a socio-economic evaluation of needy students. When
we entered the government, there was a large diesel subsidy.
We came to the conclusion that it had progressive elements, like
lowering public transportation costs, as well as shipping costs, and
therefore final product costs. But,
it had a regressive element: Guatemalans and Salvadorans came to buy diesel
in Honduras because it was cheaper than in their own countries.
The Honduran people paid the difference. I
would begin by holding a serious economic debate with the objective of
helping those with lower incomes. Changes
should be made in our educational system, because we are providing more
financing to higher education, which is the level where the fewest number of
Hondurans reach. The majority
of them do not pass the fifth grade and we are neglecting the pre-school and
basic educational systems. The
poorer a country, the more important its pre-school education is.
In a country where parents are illiterate, and they have no
computers, a child entering first grade and school for the first time can
experience shock. HTW: So,
then, is it necessary to place greater emphasis on preschool education? MADURO:
...we are over-financing higher education and ignoring the base of the
pyramid, where few people get past. The
university has no admissions test, and professors say that if there was one,
no one would make pass it. HTW: In
the short term, what do you propose for education? MADURO:
Efficiency, in the first place, and this is something that can be done in
the short term. Immediately depoliticize [the university].
This would not be easy, because 50 percent of the total production of
goods and services is consumed by the public sector.
This is as high as in many socialist countries, it's more than half
of the economy. If
you have a country with 20 or 30 percent unemployment and government jobs
are assigned based on politics, sectarianism is difficult to eliminate
because the State is the number one The
best way to depoliticize education is to involve the teachers' natural ally,
parents. Unfortunately,
"machismo" is a big problem here.
I remember that when I went to my children's schools, there were a
lot of mothers but very few fathers. That
is a cultural problem. Involve
the civil society and prevent congressional deputies from asking for
teachers' positions [for their supporters]...
Doctors,
teachers, lawyers and priests provide leadership in a community.
A teacher is a natural leader, however, politicizing the process of
selecting teachers in the capital generates a cultural breach between
teachers and the community. No one can admonish them because they have a political
godfather. The
fact that the university is autonomous does not mean it can be irresponsible
to society. The loss of
teachers' prestige is one of the most serious problems that is occurring.
One must have a calling to be a teacher. HTW: So,
Maduro's reforms would focus more on education than the economic? MADURO: If
you analyze what is happening today in economic terms, the information
revolution, and the fall -- thank God -- of colonialism backed by
militarism, the one who wins the battle today is the one who has the human
resources. HTW: But,
how can you achieve production? What
will you do to motivate and attract industries? MADURO: We
are on the right road. We must
promote short-term production. In
the long-term, production will be promoted by human capital that is able to
compete... This can be achieved
in the short term, using the physical and human resources we have right now.
It can be done by creating project management teams.
The problem with Honduras is not the what, but the how.
It is recommendable that we invest in a hydroelectric project to
avoid consuming imported oil. But,
what happens? The projects are
shoved in a drawer. There
is an efficiency problem... The traditional policy of presidents is to place
their friends in the best posts. One's
personal physician -- mind you, Plutarco [Castellanos] is my friend --
cannot be a health minister, because that does not [necessarily] guarantee
administrative capacity. Take
the post of minister of education. A
teacher comes to mind, but that post It
does not sound politically sexy to say it, but the truth is there is no
clear concept of how to do things here.
We are great at making government administrative plans.
It's just liking sitting our children down and asking them to write
their gift list for Christmas. They
sit down and write everything that comes to their minds, and this becomes a
government administrative plan, and nobody figures out how much it will
cost. In the end, nothing is
bought, and what could have been salvaged from the situation is lost in
inefficiency and corruption. If
I am going to name a minister, I am going to ask, "How will you
accomplish what you say, from an executive and financial point of
view?" HTW: And
what is lost in corruption and commissions? MADURO: A
part of the how is eliminating corruption.
In my opinion, for each lempira that the government spends, 40 cents
go to corruption and inefficiency. They
either steal it, spend it, or earn it in commissions. Another thing is the lack of coordination between
institutions... HTW:
How do you define yourself and who is your hero? MADURO:
Public servant. A leader has to
serve, otherwise he is not a leader. All
leadership needs to be genuine, and I'm a fanatic, because the most profound
human happiness is through service, and I can serve as president. I
greatly admire Gautama Fonseca. My
party is not totally in agreement with me, but no one was more useful to me
in FEREMA than Gautama. I
admire moral leaders who exercise their leadership by demonstrating their
principles. I
don't admire dictatorial leaders, or those who use military power.
I admire Gandhi, not Hitler. There's
something Albert Einstein once said that I love: "Simplicity is the
hardest thing in the world, it is the ultimate state of experience and the
maximum fruit of its kind" * And Maduro is simple in the way he dresses and talks. He would like to talk about everything, housing deficits, roads, public services and price hikes during the administration of Rafael Leonardo Callejas; but it will have to be next time, and with a blackboard. He promises to return as he leaves the offices of Honduras This Week. |
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